The Ming Dynasty This is called the high level debate The first head to head confrontation between

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This is the "best debater" competition in the "Ming Dynasty Cup" debate competitionIt is the first head-to-head confrontation between the "King of Dumping" Zhao Zhenji and the "King of Blame" Hai RuiIt remains to be ......seen who will win and who will win in this pinnacle showdown

Introduction:

After Yang Jinshui was driven crazy by Hai Rui's "record" overnight, Zhao Zhenji and Zhu Qiyi decided to immediately report the situation in Zhejiang to the imperial court.

On the other hand, through Zhao Zhenji's deliberate act of acting in front of Zhu Qi and other Jinyi guards, Hai Rui saw Zhao Zhenji's hypocritical face, what he wanted to do was Zheng Michang's set without Zheng Michang, Hai Rui decided to continue to investigate, even if he couldn't investigate it thoroughly, he had to poke the matter out and make it known to the world.

In this way, a confrontation of tongue and thunder was staged-

"Friends of the Positive Defense" Hai Rui: I will continue to interrogate Zheng Michang and He Maocai, I will investigate to the end, and I will expose the darkness and injustice;"Opponent's defense friend" Zhao Zhenji: There is no door!Don't tell me about the merits, I just want to be promoted.

After learning from the arraignment room that Zheng Michang and He Maocai had been taken away, Hai Rui went straight into the signing room of the governor's yamen, and saw Zhao Zhenji resting on the recliner, and Hai Rui stood in place and waited.

After a while, Zhao Zhenji woke up.

Zhao Zhenji was very dissatisfied with Hai Rui's intrusion behavior of not snoring, but Hai Rui was a person recommended by King Yu after all, and he was also in a camp, so he didn't want to attack directly, so he questioned the secretary on duty

"Why don't you report it?”

This secretary office is also a good person, in front of Hai Rui, he called the leader too hard, so he couldn't bear to bother, and he just extinguished most of the fire of the cautious Zhao Zhenji, and only knocked it painlessly:

"This time I will be exempted from responsibility, and if Haizhi County comes next time, I will report it immediately. ”

Obviously, this is for Hai Rui - you Hai Rui broke through without rules this time, I won't pursue it, next time it's best to behave properly.

And the reason why Zhao Zhenji made such a play was also to deliberately dry Hai Rui and suppress Hai Rui's momentum.

However, this trick was useless to Hai Rui at all.

After the book office withdrew,Hai Rui, who watched Zhao Zhenji's "performance", didn't even bother to foreshadow, and went straight to the point:

"Lord Zhongcheng, Zheng Michang and He Mao were transferred to **?”

What Hai Rui wants, Zhao Zhenji knows it, and his thoughts are also very clear, he has not got a new will, and before he figures out the holy will, the case must be shelvedTherefore, in the face of Hai Rui's questioning, Zhao Zhenji deliberately avoided answering and only threw out one sentence:

"Sit down. ”

Seeing that Zhao Zhenji did not pick up the stubble,Hai Rui then changed his question:

"It's been the seventh day since the Holy Decree arrived in Zhejiang, Zhongcheng, haven't you brought the prisoners to trial today?”

Well, you're not pretending to be deaf and dumbThen I won't ask you where you are, I'll ask you if you still have a trialThe case is a Chin case, and I am a hand-picked juror, so there's no reason why you shouldn't answer this question.

When it comes to the holy decree, Zhao Zhenji had to respond, but he still didn't answer positively:

"The prisoners have been arrested, and their homes have been ransacked. ”

In other words, I didn't say that the case would not be handled, but I wanted to be denied the hat of not paying attention to the Qin case and not doing anythingIs there a copy of the family?Isn't this going on step by step, what are you anxious about?

Zhao Zhenji's answer is a typical officialdom, if you want results, he will use rules, processes or systems to prevaricate, and will never give you a positive answer, let alone a positive result.

Hai Rui is naturally not a master who is easily dismissed, and continues to ask:

"However, if some cases are not brought to trial in time, the Qin criminals may collude to confess, and if it is too late, the truth will not be found. ”

From a debate point of view, the best way to deal with rhetoric is to narrow down the target and identify the problem. When the problem is clearly raised, the responsibility behind the problem is also put on the table, and once the responsibility is involved, the other party can not continue to listen to it and avoid talking about it in order to avoid responsibility.

Therefore, although he was unwilling to dwell on this topic, Zhao Zhenji still asked pretendedly:

"What is the case?”

Hai Jui took the opportunity to propose three things:

The case of the Messenger;Case of destroying embankments and flooding fields;

Why was Shen Yishi's family property, which was confiscated by order, sold to Hui merchants at a low price.

After Hai Rui finished speaking, Zhao Zhenji changed the topic unhurriedly:

"These have to be checked, since you are here, you should take a look at that thing first. The suppression of the Japanese is the top priority, this battle is a big victory, among which the Chun'an righteous people you sent have made the first contribution, and I will also give you the credit. ”

To put it bluntly, Zhao Zhenji is reminding Hai Rui that only by obeying my boss can you have the opportunity to be promoted and raised.

It's just that this half-threatening and half-luring "proposal" Hai Rui rejected without even thinking about it:

"There is no measure in the office. ”

At this point, the first round of mutual testing came to an end.

In this round, Zhao Zhenji was sending a signal to Hai Rui throughout the whole time:I don't care, I don't pay attention to, and I don't want to respond to what you say.

This is most evident from Zhao Zhenji's body language and movements. During the conversation, Zhao Zhenji never gave Hai Rui a straight face, either fiddling with the incense burner or strolling around to drink teaIts purpose is to "attack the heart".——That is, with an arrogant and contemptuous attitude, respond to the things that the other party attaches great importance to, psychologically discourage the enthusiasm of the other party, suppress the momentum of the other party, and let him retreat from the difficulty.

And Hai Jui's response was also simple and crude - ignorance, directly ignoring the negative signals deliberately transmitted by Zhao Zhenji, not being disturbed by them, and resolutely asking according to his own ideas.

After the first round of testing the waters, both sides realized that neither side would give up or compromise easily, and a war of words was inevitable.

This time, Hai Jui took the lead in attacking:

"Lord Zhongcheng, the fight against the Japanese is a major military matter, but this is the business of Hu Butang and the soldiers in front, what we should do, hurry up and handle the case. ”

Zhao Zhenji took the call:

"What is the case for?If we don't handle the case, where will we get the military food and grass to supply Hu Butang and the soldiers at the front to suppress the Japanese. This time, those Hui merchants who took over Shen Yishi's family property took out 500,000 taels of silver in time, and they also had merit. ”

Hearing that Zhao Zhenji bought Shen Yishi's family property at a low price from a Hui businessman, the sophistry was beautified into merit, and Hai Rui couldn't bear it

"Lord Zhongcheng, according to this, whether Zheng Michang and He Maocai, who invited those Hui merchants, are also meritorious. ”

The best way to deal with fallacies and sophistryIt is a fallacy against a fallacy- Instead of refuting the logic and conclusion of the other party, it is reasoned as a premise, so that the absurdity is escalated, and then the absurdity of the conclusion proves the absurdity of the other party's point of view.

The advantage of countering fallacies with fallacies is that if the other party wants to refute your "fallacy", they must first overturn their own "fallacy".

Seeing that Hai Rui refuted his arguments and couldn't justify himself, Zhao Zhenji's face sank and he made a moveTactical rhetorical question:

"What do you mean by that?”

"For major military affairs, as usual, there should be a division of the Yamen's ** grain and grass military supplies, Shen Yishi's family property was copied back to the treasury, and the imperial court also had money and grain. Hui merchants bought so much property that should be returned to the state treasury at a low price, and what merit did they have to come up with such a small amount of money?”

"Shen Yishi's family property is less than 20,000 pieces of silver, only 100 pieces of silk, can 3,000 looms be sent to Hu Butang to fight?”

The main point of disagreement between Zhao Zhenji and Hai Rui is that one is emphasizing the legitimacy of the result, and the other is insisting on the legitimacy of the process.

In Zhao Zhenji's view, the investigation of the caseThe ultimate goalIt is to prepare for the military quartermaster to suppress the Japanese, and his merits and demerits lie all in thisAs long as you can get money quickly, you can cash out Shen Yishi's family property and supply it to Hu Zongxian to suppress the widows, so why not sell it cheaply. (Of course, there is also a hidden secret here, behind the cheap sale of Shen Yishi's family property, there is the shadow of the Weaving Bureau and Jiajing, but Zhao Zhenji can't tell Hai Rui.) ）

In other words, Zhao Zhenji believes that as long as the result is justified and the money is used for military supplies, he is justified.

In Hai Rui's view, it is very important to raise military supplies, but this does not mean that they must engage in the greasy and cheap sale of Shen Yishi's family property, they can completely pull down the Yan Party through a thorough investigation of the case, and copy out the money that the Yan Party is greedy for, so as to enrich the military supplies, as for Shen Yishi's family property, it should be returned to the treasury first, and then sold to other businessmen at a new price in accordance with the requirements of the holy decree.

In this way, the legitimacy of the process is ensured, and the problems of the deficit of the treasury and the lack of military supplies can also be solved.

This is the next paragraph of Hai Rui's refutation of Zhao Zhenji:

"Shen Yishi has 25 workshops, more than 100 shops, more than 60,000 acres of mulberry fields, that is, to sell to any merchant at a price, can recover tens of millions of property for the treasury, the southeast to resist the Japanese, the north to resist the Tatars, a year's military supplies are enough, not to mention that in the future, these merchants will have to pay taxes to the treasury according to law every year, I don't understand why not do this, but also transfer these family properties to the Jiangnan Weaving Bureau. ”

From the follow-up Zhao Zhenji started to "suppress people with power", it has been explained that in this round, Hai Rui won, after all, only when he can't argue, he will raise his identity and status to bless.

Seeing that "convincing people with reason" did not work, in order to reverse the situation, Zhao Zhenji actually adopted the strategy of suppressing people with force:

"Haizhi County, there is a saying in officialdom that everyone understands, haven't you ever heard ......If you are not in your position, you should also be restrained. ”

"I am the presiding judge, you are the jury, I will interrogate the prisoner, you will accompany and interrogate, this is what you should do. It is not appropriate to confiscate Shen Yishi's family property, recover the stolen money of Zheng Michang and He Maocai, and what kind of use it is for. You interrogated Zheng Michang and He Maocai alone without asking for instructions, I tolerated you, and today you actually took charge of the military affairs of me and Hu Butang. Haizhi County, although you have never been in the Jinshi or Hanlin Academy, you should know this rule. ”

Then he clearly raised his authority to suppress Hai Jui- I am the presiding judge, and you are the jury;I am the governor, you are the magistrate, only I am in charge of you, and there is no reason for you to question me in turn.

Finally, concludingly, he made a speech attacking Hai Rui's origin——Even if you haven't been admitted to the Jinshi or the Hanlin Academy, you shouldn't have done such an unruly thing......

At the same time, in order to enhance his own momentum and psychologically deter Hai Rui, Zhao Zhenji, who had never sat down, sat on the main seat of the lobby with his official authority while outingThis is also reminding Hai Rui that he is the governor of a province, he can sit, Hai Jui can only stand, and his status is high and low, at a glance.

Just when Zhao Zhenji was waiting for Hai Rui to give in softly, Hai Rui's side sounded the "charge" again

"I don't understand what Lord Zhongcheng said, could it be that people who have been in the Jinshi and entered the Hanlin Academy can't even understand the holy decree?The holy decree clearly asked us to confiscate Shen Yishi's family property and return it to the treasury, but Zhongcheng signed and stamped the contract for the resale of Shen Yishi's family property by the Weaving Bureau. ”

"You are the presiding judge, you are the governor, and the financial resources of a province are under your control, but because of this, Zhongcheng cannot act against the order, as a jury on the order, persuading Zhongcheng to handle the case according to the order is exactly what his subordinates should do. ”

It doesn't matter, I don't care about those false names, but you have been a jinshi, why can't you even understand the holy decree?

You say I'm in charge of something I shouldn't be in charge of?

But I am a jury on order, and I have the right to be alone in the trial, and I also have the right and responsibility to supervise and persuade you as a leader.

You say I'm unruly?

Okay, I'm doing things according to the will, but you, who have rules, are doing things against the will, are your rules bigger than the holy decree and Jiajing?

Here's a word to add:

The main reason why Hai Rui can say such hard words is that he is hard enough.

Zhao Zhenji has selfish intentions, selfish thoughts, some thoughts can't see the light, can't see the light, and will inevitably avoid taboos, but Hai Rui doesn't, Hai Rui fights for fairness and justice, for the people of the country, not to seek fame, not to seek profit, not to admire power, so he is fearless, and what he says is naturally confident.

Seeing that he was going to lose, Zhao Zhenji's competitive heart was completely aroused, and he turned his words around and made a killing move:

"Do you know how many people and how many cities have been destroyed by the Japanese in the coastal areas of Zhejiang, Fujian and Zhejiang?Do you know how hard our soldiers are fighting without military quarters?Your family is staying well in Chun'an County, do you think about the people who were killed and plundered by the Japanese invaders?I agreed with the Weaving Bureau to resell Shen Yishi's family property to the Hui merchants, in order to immediately prepare for military supplies and suppress the enemy. It seems that you are standing on the shore watching the ship overturn, with the name of Bozhi, Haizhi County, don't you think that you are loyal and hypocritical?”

In this case, if Hai Rui wants to refute Zhao Zhenji, he must jump out of Zhao Zhenji's thinking and the "trap" he has set.

And because of this,In the face of Zhao Zhenji's attack, Hai Rui avoided the problem of Shen Yishi's family property and military supplies, and started from another point - "the people who do not understand the suffering of the Japanese people", as long as this argument in Zhao Zhenji's argument is refuted, Zhao Zhenji's argument will naturally be self-defeating.

That's why there is the next monologue of Hai Rui:

"In the eleventh year of Hongwu, the Japanese invaded Danzhou, Hainan, and killed nearly 1,000 people of the Ming Dynasty, Han and Li ......The pain of killing his father is unforgettable. Zhao Zhongcheng just said that my family is staying in Chun'an, so I don't know that the coastal people are suffering from the woes, so please retract this. ”

At this point, the third round is over.

After Hai Rui finished speaking, Zhao Zhenji stood in place and was silent for a while.

He knew that he couldn't win this verbal confrontation, but Hai Rui asked him to retract what he just said, and he couldn't do it after being in a high position for a long time.

So, Zhao Zhenji thought about it, since the reason can't talk about you, then don't blame me for "using the means", you can always take it:

"Since Haizhi County has a grudge against the Japanese Invaders for killing their fathers, and they know that the Japanese Invaders are in great trouble, this court will now send you an official ......The top priority at the moment is to immediately send the next batch of military supplies to the front, and this batch of military supplies will be escorted by you and sent to the Hubutang military camp within five days. ”

And the case was stopped, and Hai Rui's jury trial was equivalent to a temporary leisure, and at this time, he refused Zhao Zhenji, his boss, for any reason in terms of work.

In this way, Hai Rui took over the official duty of escorting the military quartermaster with a heavy face, but Zhao Zhenji, who left first, was proud, and the reason for the pride was very simple-No matter how reasonable you can say, no matter how reasonable you are, in the end, you still have to listen to my command and obey my arrangement.

At this point, the first head-to-head confrontation between Zhao Zhenji and Hai Rui came to an end. So, who wins and loses in this "debate"?

Personally, I think that if you look at it from the point of view of the debate alone, it was Hai Jui who won.

Zhao Zhenji changed the topic several times, and even did not hesitate to use his power to suppress people, and the sword went sideways, but he was refuted by Hai Rui.

But if the result is used as the criterion, it is Zhao Zhenji who wins.

Because, Hai Rui wanted to continue to interrogate Zheng Michang and He Maocai, but the goal of investigating the case to the end was not achieved, but was taken away by Zhao Zhenji on the grounds of official business.

Of course, this is not Zhao Zhenji's superior skills, his victory is the victory of the position, not himself.

Qingxin Junyue, read other people's stories, and live your own life. Warm you with words, me.