The scene of the roundtable of the 2023 Wind Horse Ox Year-end Show, with the theme of "Holding on to the Future".
Zhou Hongyi:The first one I don't think you can represent yourself as a young person either. The second one I think he inadvertently divided into two factions: young and old.
I'm not a fan of labels. In fact, in every era, from your post-50s, post-60s, post-70s to post-00s now, every generation has been young, so I think today to measure whether a person is young, I think youth is a state of mind.
The second one I don't like to say big words, I was almost asleep when you read the small essay just now, why? Because it is all lyrical words, I don't think it makes much sense for entrepreneurs, who should be very realistic and think about problems from a small and micro perspective. If you talk about a very macro problem, like the example I gave in silicon-based biology the other day, there is no solution to this problem.
Thirdly, if I had to answer your question, I would probably say to the audience, I think you young people will still have an advantage in many opportunities for industrial change. Because an older person, I mean the kind of mentally old person, he will inevitably have some complacency, some historical baggage, some so-called successful experience, which will often become an obstacle to his cognition when the new industrial revolution comes.
Young people are barefoot and not afraid to wear shoes, they don't have anything, and the definition of young people is the kind of spirit that is full of curiosity, full of exploration spirit, and not afraid of failure, then you may be able to master a lot of artificial intelligence technology better than people of the same age or than the so-called older generation of entrepreneurs.
Cheng Qian:Aren't you talking about the same word I use? Curiosity, longing.
Zhou Hongyi:If you have to turn it into a college debate tournament, I can't help it.
Cheng Qian:The difference is that you don't write a manuscript, I do, and I attach enough importance to Mr. Feng's activities.
Zhou Hongyi:But what I hate the most in the company is the mode of debate, because you have also watched the college debate competition, everyone has a point of view, from the beginning to the end of the game remains the same, and then everyone is playing the game to prove that you are ** I am a smart person, what do you get in the end? In the end, it became a bunch of bars in the company. If I had to play the role of a bartender today, it would be a role I hated more.
Cheng Qian:Isn't it Mr. Feng, let me ask a question, have you been to the round table with Mr. Zhou before?
Feng Lun:We've talked about it on different occasions.
Cheng Qian:Can he share a round table with someone else?
Feng Lun:He could.
Zhou Hongyi:I am the atmosphere group of the various round tables.
Cheng Qian:Got it. Later, WeChat was still left, right? After the round table, keep it?
Just kidding, I answered Mr. Wang's question.
In fact, I listened to the three teachers today, I really want to ask, I think it is not easy for young entrepreneurs, and then today to talk about "hold on", the result is that I talk about "hold on" alone, I seriously write a manuscript, after the three teachers came up and laughed and laughed, to be honest, I am a young man, I said wildly, he really needs to hold on, because there are not many opportunities, find a way out of the nails, there is a project that can make money and change fate, one person goes in, all the brothers go in, So in fact, I have such an emotion.
Zhou Hongyi:I'll tell you a story, don't say I'm uncomfortable, it's the inevitable price of your growth. I was once deceived into sponsoring 100,000 yuan to sponsor Davos, Switzerland, they promised me that you can talk for half an hour, in fact, the only qualification of my sponsor is to come up, this dinner is sponsored by me, please satisfy your appetite, I wrote a small essay in three sentences, there are 10 thick pages to read for half an hour, Dr. Schwab was in a hurry to grab my microphone, I said I spent money to sponsor, why? I ran around with the microphone, and finally I finished my speech to the laughter of the audience, who didn't know what I was talking about while eating. That was the first time I met Ma Yun, and later Ma Yun invited me to drink coffee offstage, saying that my brother can't give such a speech, and he said that you must tell more jokes when you speak on stage in the future, so as to attract people's attention.
Second, I will say three sentences concisely, so I often speak within the company, I will talk about three points today, one, two, three, three, three, three, so I think the atmosphere today may be different from your original home atmosphere, I also prepared a draft, our company's publicity department is very angry, why did I not follow their draft? I'll replace the ppt, you see the ppt has three pages left at the end, I don't think this is important, if we discuss anyway, my suggestion is that you don't feel particularly hurt, a few of us are together, like I make a joke about them, everyone knows, just like Guo Degang and Yu Qian told jokes on stage, can you take a third party to talk about it? You can only tell jokes from your familiar friends, and everyone has to understand.
Wang Shi:So let me answer, in fact, I just answered, it seems that you are still not satisfied, that is, how about young people?
Let's talk about it, of course what you just said is also ridiculous, you said that I was writing a serious manuscript, you are all giggling, I didn't expect you to comment in such a posture.
In itself, this meeting is to let go, no matter what I say, I'm a person who was shot while lying down, I can't let go, I can't let go, so I'm not going to go tonight. It turned out that I was not arranged to participate in this evening, and I was invited like this, and I was sorry for these young people, this is one of my mentality, tell me tonight, you can talk casually, you don't want to read the manuscript at that time.
Zhou Hongyi:Wang Shi didn't have to, his heart wouldn't be so fragile. I think if you don't feel comfortable tonight, I think it's still a contradiction among the people. Your product is not good, you are scolded on the Internet, and you look at the person who scolds you, aren't you even more uncomfortable?
Wang Shi:Let me talk about my team again, the first one I wasn't going to come, but I came, and I really have this kind of social phobia, how do I solve the problem? I'll just do my homework.
Zhou Hongyi:No, I don't think you have social phobia. I think you have social phobia, you see you standing on the stage with a manuscript reading there, you don't dare to look at the audience, and you don't communicate.
Just like a story I just told, I also gave a very bad speech, and then last time Ma Yun was educated, I also forgot the words in a speech, which made me very embarrassed, until one time I saw Zhang Chaoyang's speech, after forgetting the words, he stayed for a minute, closed his eyes, and then began to talk casually, which gave me a lot of encouragement, so I just want to educate him and say that in fact, on this kind of occasion, if there are similar occasions in the future, you would rather use a teleprompter than read the script, in fact, you read the script, You made the audience feel like the worst one of the night.
Wang Shi:Let me comment on the post-90s I shouldn't have read it, so I can't comment. On the other hand, they're good for us, you tell me what I should do, and I don't do what you tell me how to do, I have a way of thinking, and now that's what I'm really saying.
The second I want to take this opportunity for me to comment on Zhou Hongyi, you see I once said this, I and Feng Lun's age is compared with Zhou Hongyi's age, of course I am the oldest, but we told him privately, I said that I am like a brother with Zhou Hongyi, but I am different from Mr. Feng.
There is also a person named Wang Jian, the three of us are like brothers, what characteristics will you find? It's just that people are not very sophisticated, and that's how it is when it comes to speaking, so I insist that I am like this.
Fortunately, I am much older than him, and I can see that my shadow was like this back then, of course, I didn't talk as eloquently as he did, so freely, but I came here like this.
In fact, what do you see as the hardest thing about our generation of entrepreneurs? There is character, there are edges and corners. Feng Lun once asked me this question, and he said that you are really not enough, not enough to understand.
Let's tell another story, as soon as Zhou always came, he made a joke, called Fengma Show. He washed me away as soon as he opened it, and called the wind horse and cow to be out of touch, and I came to a thing that the wind horse and cow were not related to, homonym, the wind is Feng. What is the relationship between Feng and Ma Niu? Let's talk about what it has to do with him? Do you listen? Is it to listen to the host or to me? Let's take a look at what personality is.
In 2008, we knew that there was a ** in China, and Mr. Jet Li founded a very famous one**.
In 2009, the state approved him to set up a public offering, and the public offering should be honest, and I have great respect for integrity. said that there should be social enterprises and experienced participation, one day Feng Lun came to me and said that we have Ma Yun, Ma Huateng, and a Ma Weihua, of course, Feng Lun, and Niu Gensheng, and he said that you see we already have five horses and one cow, so there is still a shortage of you.
I said where did the three horses come from, I will count, I watched it for a long time, I said that it was three surnamed Ma, and he smiled, I understand, Er Feng. said that the three horses, Ma Weihua, Ma Huateng, Ma Yun, plus Mr. Feng This is not five horses, this cow root is born, saying five horses and one cow, so I said that it is so strong, why should I be a stone?
Feng Lun said, we have five horses and one ox to pull the cart, and there must be a stone on the cart to hold it, and I am very comfortable with these words.
Let's talk about the wind horse and cow, we are five horses, one cow and one stone, and do it. We have seen that one is now a non-governmental organization in China that has done the best in disaster relief, and in the world, in terms of influence and all aspects.
Whether it is our post-50s, post-60s, post-70s, post-80s, post-90s, or post-00s, there is no age difference in our love.
Cheng Qian:I have a lot of questions and expectations today, because I told the truth before, your generation was born when you were born, you all started a successful business, especially when I was in elementary school, 360 was already a national-level software, Mr. Wang and Mr. Feng, needless to say, are all people I saw on TV.
But to be honest, after I came here today, I still feel different, I think the older generation of entrepreneurs for the current entrepreneurs, I really think who is starting a business today? The pain and discomfort of these people are far from my original idols, and they are too much in their own spiritual world, in fact, they have lost their sense of the three words entrepreneur?
Feng Lun:This means that when you are 40 years old, when you think of wearing open crotch pants, and when you think of open crotch pants at 80 years old, you will be excited and moved by that time, but the way of expression will be different. Because when you are 20 years old, you will think more about the details when you express it, and after the age of 80, you will only talk about philosophy, and the three words of open crotch pants will be talked about as philosophy, which is the final precipitation of the experience of the times.
In fact, when I was actually the same age as you, I started to do business, 30 years old, 89 years old, I started business, I found a big brother, at that time Mr. Wang, I didn't know them, found a big brother, I said I want to do business, you have to help me, he said you want me to help you very simple, I will write you 4 words, you believe it will promise you, I don't know what he wrote, he wrote 4 words, he is surprisingly upright.
Then this person is a standard red second generation according to my words today, and then he explained to me what is upright, what is surprising, and wins with righteousness, and says do you promise? Actually, I didn't understand it at that time, I said okay, I said I would do it. Later, in order to reassure him, I asked him to be my chairman of the board of supervisors, and he has been in a wheelchair for 17 years, and when I have any trouble making any decisions, I ask him first, and he always says that you don't forget the 4 words I told you, and you can do the rest.
If we stand up today, and we talk about all these specific things again, everyone will probably have a sense of fatigue, so we must extract it from the middle and tell everyone that whether it is AI, whether it is life experience, whether it is how we talk about how to solve problems in difficult times, this is not chicken soup, this is called Hu spicy soup. But I don't know who this thing is useful for, but it's definitely useful for everything when you're hungry.
When you are full, the chicken soup is definitely useless, and it may be useful if you want to adjust the flavor of the spicy soup, but no matter what, we are just a personal expression, we are not a Bai Yansong-style expression, we are not here to represent the older generation of entrepreneurs to be a serious meat horn ridiculed by Wang Shuo, we are not here to do this.
Cheng Qian:Understood, now that I'm in the role of moderator, I'm going to move the agenda forward. Of course, Mr. Zhou scolded me, and I shot back. Jobs's speech at Stanford in 2005, I listened to three short stories 100 times, read the draft, Jobs' iPhone speech on the stage, it was also about technology, I think it was more exciting than Mr. Zhou's free style. I'll look back on the occasion.
Zhou Hongyi:Flatter me, right? Can Jobs be compared to mere mortals like us?
Wang Shi:I decided to start my business in October 2020, that is, China announced the dual carbon roadmap, let's talk about my current business and my 83 years to Shenzhen entrepreneurship, what is the difference? You just feel like it's completely different.
I'm going to answer you like this, first, the body feeling is different, why? Because I start a business after starting a business is not a failure to start a business, I should say that entrepreneurship itself is successful, and I want to start a business again, so this feeling is different, often saying that failure is the mother of success, I think this really needs to be greatly corrected.
How is failure the mother of success? Failure can only be the mother of failure, but is failure not tolerated? No. What is a victorious general? Not all battles can be won, it must be 51:49, and your victory is at least 51. You say that failure is the mother of success, you fail once, fail twice, fail three times, do you still have the capital? Do you still have faith? That's another question. First of all, success must be the mother of success, but if you say that you are successful the first time, it is impossible. Accumulate small victories for big victories, and in this process, it must be small victories that give you confidence.
Because I am successful in starting a business, so when I start a business again, first of all, my self-confidence is very strong, but he is a very fatal weakness, that is, because you have succeeded, and have been very successful, you are very confident in yourself, this is a fatal one. In fact, starting a business again is completely different from the original situation, for example, when you start a successful business, the resources you use, people listen to you are completely different, and you start a new business, you originally thought it was a very easy thing to do, and suddenly it was not easy to do.
So this brings up the second question, what is the biggest obstacle? The biggest obstacle is to be face-to-face, because you are already very successful, and you start a very unfamiliar business, is it worth it for you to fail?
How to put down your face? Chinese are face culture, love face, Hongyi can you comment two sentences, Chinese is a face culture, what do you think?
Zhou Hongyi:I think a real entrepreneur is shameless. If you want to face you will have a lot of pressure, a lot of times you have to be thick-skinned, you have to face all kinds of setbacks, and then you have to be able to deal with it, which is to make yourself very sluggish so that you can hold on.
If you have to quote Jobs, you have found the right person, and I am the one who has studied the Chinese version of Jobs the most. Steve Jobs once said that for a real genius, you don't have to take care of his feelings, you see how you scold me, I don't care.