Recently, there was an incident that caused a sensation in the West.
American talk show host Tucker Carlson conducted an exclusive interview with Putin on February 9.
This 2-hour interview**on platform X** caused an uproar.
On platform x alone, the interview** has 1With 800 million views, it can be said that Musk's X platform is pushing the interview**.
Putin's interview broke the defense of the hegemony built by the Democratic Party, and made the Western people who were trapped in the information cocoon hear different voices.
At the same time, the Republican Party's unsparing efforts to promote this interview** can also be seen as another attack by the Republican Party on the Democratic Party, which also marks the increasingly fierce internal struggle in the United States, and also serves the United States in this year's election campaign.
I also went to see this interview**, the content is very long, and the text version has 280,000 words.
In this article, I will first sort out with you the content of Putin's interview, what is it about, which will make the West so broken.
* There is a large paragraph at the beginning where Putin is introducing where Ukraine is coming from?
With this amount, it can be said that it is equivalent to Putin taking a history lesson to the Western public.
Considering that many Americans do not know much about their country's short history, and their understanding of world history is even more lacking.
That's why Putin spends a full 1 6 pages on history.
Putin started with the founding of Russia, saying that 862 is considered the year of the founding of Russia.
Then in 882, two centers were formed in Russia: Kiev and Novgorod.
Putin then introduced a long history of the changes in the Russian territory, probably saying that after the formation of a unified Russian state centered on Moscow, the southern regions of Russia, including Kiev, began to be attracted to the rising centers of Europe, first the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, and then the Kingdom of Poland-Lithuania.
As well as the fact that the Poles have always Polonized the population of this region, Poland introduced in the region the idea that they are not exactly Russians, because they live in the border areas, so they are Ukrainians. Initially,"Ukrainians"This word means that a person lives in the frontier,"Close to the border", or working on the border, does not imply any particular ethnic group.
This is the content of Putin's exact words.
Then Putin talked about the more crucial year 1654, ** and the outbreak of war with Poland that lasted for 13 years.
As a result of the Russo-Polish war, the entire eastern bank of the Dnieper, including Kiev, belonged to the **, while the entire western bank of the Dnieper remained to Poland.
This has become an important basis for Putin to prove his views.
"Even if we go back to 1654, when these territories were returned to the Russian Empire, there were only three or four oblasts there that belonged to what is now Ukraine, and there were no Black Sea coastal areas," Putin said. ”
According to Putin, it was during the Soviet period that Lenin allocated land to Soviet Ukraine, even though these territories had never been called Ukraine before, including the entire Black Sea coast acquired under Catherine II, and in fact this part of the territory had never had any historical ties with Ukraine. When Russia acquired these territories in the Russo-Turkish War, they were called "New Russia". But it doesn't matter. It is important that this is how Lenin created Ukraine.
Putin also said that after World War II, Ukraine received not only part of Poland's pre-war territory, but also part of Hungary and part of Romania. Ukraine is an artificial state built according to Stalin's will.
When Putin said this, the host Carlson also tried to dig a hole for Putin.
Carlson asked "Did you say to Orban that he could take back part of the land from Ukraine?" ”
Putin replied, "I never said that. Never, not once. I didn't even have any conversation with him about it. But I know for sure that the Hungarians who live there certainly want to return to their historical homeland. ”
Orban is the prime minister of Hungary, and after the outbreak of the Russian-Ukrainian conflict, Orban has been playing the role of a thorn in the European Union and has always opposed aid to Ukraine.
Including the recent announcement of the resignation of Hungary** due to the fact that in 2023, Hungary** pardoned a man for the crime of covering up a minor in his boss**. The incident sparked public discontent after it was reported.
However, Orban is the political star of Hungary, having been elected prime minister five times.
Orban has always been strongly opposed to aid to Ukraine, which has naturally become a thorn in the side of Europe and the United States, and this time Carlson suddenly inserted a question about Orban during his exclusive interview with Putin, which was obviously ill-intentioned.
He tried to portray Orban's opposition to aid to Ukraine as a covert collusion with Russia to carve up Ukraine.
Naturally, Putin directly denied this.
Then Putin also recounted a recollection of his recollection that in the 80s of the last century, he went to a city called Beregovo in western Ukraine, where all the names of cities and villages were in Russian and Hungarian, not Ukrainian.
While Putin was telling this history, Carlson wanted to interrupt many times and turn to some of his questions.
But Putin insisted that he finish telling this history.
Regarding the establishment of Ukraine, Putin said that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, everything Ukraine received was a gift from Russia.
Putin said that at that time, more than 90% of the people in Ukraine spoke Russian, and a third of the people there had relatives and friends; a common culture; a shared history; Finally, the common religion; living together in one country for hundreds of years; To a large extent, the economy is closely interconnected – all of which are the basis on which we must build good relations.
Therefore, Putin believes that the Russian leadership at that time would promote the collapse of the Soviet Union based on the judgment that Russian-Ukrainian relations would remain good. And to think that this will be understood by "Western civilization" as a proposal for cooperation and alliance. This is what Russia once expected from the United States and the entire so-called "collective West".
This passage refers to the 90s of the last century, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia had unrealistic illusions about the West, when Russia almost fully embraced the West, but in exchange for a ruthless harvest and an attitude of keeping Russia out.
Even the moderator, Carlson, echoed Putin in this conversation, saying, "Many people in the United States also believe that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russian-American relations will return to normal." But the opposite is true. ”
Of course, Carlson also had to dig a hole, and he rhetorically asked, "However, you never explained why you thought this was happening".
This is a more typical victim guilt theory.
What he meant by this was that the West's rejection of Russia was Russia's own problem, not the West's problem.
Carlson was still tilting up to us.
"Maybe the West is afraid of a strong Russia, but the West is not afraid of a strong China," Carlson said. ”
Putin, for his part, retorted that the West is more afraid of a powerful China than a strong Russia, because Russia has only 1500 million people, compared to 1.5 billion people in China, and China's economy is growing rapidly.
However, Putin also realized that he was being crooked, so he said, "We are not talking about who is afraid of whom, we are talking about the fact that after 1991, when Russia expected to join the fraternal family of "civilized countries", nothing happened. ”
Putin believes that the United States has deceived Russia, and the United States promised that NATO would not expand eastward, but NATO expanded eastward five times.
"We endured everything, we persuaded people, we said: don't do this, we are now our own people, as they say, the bourgeoisie, we have a market economy, we do not have a communist regime, let's negotiate," Putin said. ”
Putin also mentioned Yeltsin's speech to the US Congress during his visit to the United States, saying that "God bless America."
This is indeed an unrealistic fantasy in Russia at the beginning, always thinking that when it becomes capitalist, it will be accepted by the West.
But it is clear that the United States' hostility to Russia is not just a systemic issue.
It wasn't until NATO bombed the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia that Russia began to wake up a little and speak out for the Serbs, so relations between Russia and Western countries suddenly deteriorated again.
Then after Putin was elected in 2000, Putin also had great illusions about the United States at first.
Putin also mentioned in this interview** that after he was elected in 2000, he believed that the Yugoslav problem had passed, and that he should try to restore relations with the United States and open the door that Russia is trying to pass through, that is, to become a part of the Western countries.
Putin said he had asked Clinton a question: "Listen, Bill, what do you think if Russia raises the issue of joining NATO?" ”
And Clinton, after discussing with the team, replied to Putin, "No, not now." ”
Carlson questioned Putin's sincerity at this time, and asked, "If he says yes, will you join NATO?" ”
Putin replied that if he said "yes," the process of reconciliation could begin.
At this time, Carlson also put gold on the face of the United States, saying, "I think you are in pain about this, I understand." But why do you think the West rejects you so much? Where does the hostility come from? ”
Putin simply said, "It's not pain, it's just a statement of facts." We are not the bride and groom, and pain and resentment are not something that will arise in this case. We just realized that we weren't welcome there, that's all. Why do we get such a negative response, you should ask your own leaders. ”
Putin's remarks make me feel a bit like a satire on the "husband and wife theory".
Putin then also accused the United States of supporting the doctrine of the North Caucasus, and then mentioned the creation of a missile defense system by the United States in close proximity to Russia.
In this regard, Putin also suggested that they engage in tripartite cooperation, and that Russia, the United States, and Europe should jointly build this missile defense system, because the United States said that this missile defense system is not aimed at Russia, then Russia chose to join, and the result was naturally rejected by the United States.
Then Putin spoke at length about the issue of NATO's eastward expansion.
To sum it up, the United States has been deceiving Russia, even if the Soviet Union collapsed and Russia devoted itself to catering to the West, it still could not be accepted by Western countries, and NATO still regarded Russia as an imaginary enemy, constantly pushing forward NATO's eastward expansion, and building a missile defense system on Russia's side.
In Russia's view, the United States can only conclude that the disintegration of the Soviet Union will not satisfy the United States, and the United States wants to further dismember Russia.
Putin then devoted a lot of space to the 2014 Ukrainian color revolution, which Putin called the Ukrainian coup d'état and considered it the root cause of the conflict between Russia and Ukraine.
Carlson then mentions "what denazification is", and Putin spends a lot of time talking about neo-Nazism and denazification.
For example, after the outbreak of World War II, some Ukrainian ultranationalists collaborated with Hitler, and Hitler entrusted these collaborators with the dirtiest work of exterminating the Poles and Jews.
"These people are now national heroes of Ukraine, and Ukraine has erected monuments to them, their names appear on the flag, and the crowd with torches shouts their names, just like in Nazi Germany," Putin said. It was these people who destroyed the Poles, the Jews and the Russians. We must stop such practices and theories. ”
Then Putin also gave the example of when Zelensky visited Canada last year, the Canadian parliament "stood up and saluted" a Ukrainian who served in the SS "Galicia" division of Nazi Germany simply because he fought against the Russians in World War II.
And with a little historical common sense, you also know that it was the Nazis who fought against the Russians in World War II.
So, Putin said, "This man served in the SS and killed ** people, Poles and Jews with his own hands." The SS, made up of Ukrainian nationalists, was engaged in this dirty business. Ukraine** and the entire Canadian parliament stood up and applauded this man. How can this be imagined? ”
Putin said, "Today, the incumbent ** of Ukraine gave him a standing ovation in the Canadian Parliament!" If we see everything that is happening today, can we say that we have thoroughly ** this ideology? That's what we understand"Denazification"。We must purge those who leave this theory and practice in their lives and try to maintain it – this is denazification. ”
"During the Istanbul negotiations, we agreed – we have written documents – that neo-Nazism will not be cultivated in Ukraine and that it will be banned at the legislative level," Putin added. ”
Regarding the peace talks, Putin said that the peace talks between the two sides had reached a very high stage, and the position on the complex process was agreed, so Russia withdrew its troops from Kyiv, but as soon as Russia withdrew its troops, Ukraine abandoned all agreements and accepted the instructions of Western countries to fight Russia to the end.
Speaking of which, Carlson brought another private item with him.
Carlson said "Biden is funding the war you're waging."
This is clearly in the service of the current election campaign in the United States.
Carlson is a big fan of Trump, and his stance on domestic and foreign policy is quite similar to Trump's.
And one of the main cards of the Republican Party in this year's election campaign is to attack Biden's behavior of aiding Ukraine in the Russia-Ukraine conflict, which is a waste of American taxpayers' money.
So Carlson said that "Biden is funding the war that Putin is waging."
Subsequently, the parties also discussed who blew up the Nord Stream pipelines.
Putin directly said "you blew it up."
In response to Carlson's response to the words "Since you and your intelligence have evidence, why not provide it and win this propaganda war?" ”
Putin replied that "in a propaganda war, it is very difficult to defeat the United States, because the United States controls all of the world** and a lot of Europe**." The ultimate beneficiary of Europe's main ** is the United States**. Don't you know about it? ”
This dialogue is also quite interesting, and it is also by a relatively powerful person like Putin who directly and openly says that the United States controls the world media
Carlson also asked why the Germans did not say anything on this issue that the bombing of the Nord Stream pipelines dealt a blow to the German economy?
Putin said he was also surprised, saying that "the German leadership today is not motivated by national interests, but by the interests of the collective West, otherwise it would be difficult to explain the logic of their actions or inactions." ”
I just said yesterday in a short information article that under Scholz's leadership, Germany is more keen than the United States to abolish Germany.
For example, Scholz is more keen on aiding Ukraine than the United States in dealing with the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, and Scholz recently visited the United States and specifically went to urge Biden to approve military aid to Ukraine.
For example, in dealing with the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, he also spares no effort to support Israel than Biden**.
On the question of the world being split in half.
Putin responded, "The brain is also divided into two hemispheres: one hemisphere is responsible for activities in a certain area, the other is more creative, etc." But it's still a brain. The world should be a whole, and security should be shared by all, not a billion. Only in this way will the world be stable, sustainable and viable. Before that, as long as the brain was divided into two parts, it was a disease, a serious pathology. The world is experiencing this serious illness. ”
Subsequently, Putin also accused the United States of using the dollar as a tool of foreign policy struggle, which is one of the most serious strategic mistakes.
Putin believes that the hegemony of the dollar is the basis for the strength of the United States, but the United States will deal a blow to the strength of the United States if it uses the dollar as the first power.
Putin also mentioned a statistic that "in the past, the proportion of settlements in yuan was about 3%. Now we have 34% in rubles, and about the same in yuan, a little more than 34%. ”
So Putin said, "You see, other countries, including oil-producing countries, are also beginning to take a stand and start acting, they pay for oil in yuan **." Do you understand? Something like this is happening, is anyone in the United States aware of this? What are you doing? You are cutting off your own money. Ask all the experts, ask anyone with wisdom and thinking in the United States: what is the dollar to the United States? You yourselves are killing the dollar. ”
In this conversation, Putin ridiculed us from time to time to raise the value of the United States' hatred of us.
In this regard, we also need to be vigilant.
And then this Carlson also did not forget to stir up relations between Russia and China, claiming that "it is possible that today's BRICS countries will be ruled by China, a more moderate xx country?" ”
The xx here is a not-so-nice word.
I also declare here in passing that some of us should not have a good impression of Carlson just because he is in opposition to the mainstream of the West this time.
This Carlson is a Trump supporter, and in 2020 he naturally followed Trump's lead in racist attacks against us, including stigmatizing us through the coronavirus.
So, the enemy of our enemies is not necessarily our friends, and we need to be clear about that.
We don't like the Democrats, but the Republicans are also not good and have a worse attitude towards us.
Regarding Carlson's provocation, Putin also mentioned that "China's foreign policy philosophy is non-aggressive, and China's foreign policy thinking has been seeking — seeking eclecticism, and we see that." ”
The Russian translation is "eclecticism", or "the golden mean" to be precise.
Putin called "Russia and China the best are balanced and complement each other in the field of high technology, energy and scientific research." It's very balanced. ”
In 1992, the G7's share of the world economy was 47%, and in 2022, I think that share has dropped to a little over 30%. In 1992, the share of the BRICS was only 16%, and now it has surpassed the level of the G7. This has nothing to do with any events in Ukraine. As I said earlier, the trend of the world and world economic development is inevitable. It will continue to evolve: like the sun rises, you can't stop it, you have to adapt to it. ”
Putin's words are to explain why Russia should embrace the East now, because this trend of rising in the east and falling in the west cannot be stopped, but can only adapt.
Putin said that the United States chose not to adapt, using force, sanctions, pressure, bombing, and using armed forces. It's about arrogance. "Even if someone wants hegemony. Such rude behavior, including towards Russia, towards other countries, leads to the opposite result. ”
Despite various sanctions and restrictions, Russia became the largest economy in Europe last year. In your opinion, is this normal? Sanctions, restrictions, the inability to settle in dollars, exclusion from SWIFT, sanctions against our oil-carrying vessels, sanctions on aircraft - sanctions are everywhere. The most sanctions have been imposed on Russia in the world. During this time, we became the largest economy in Europe. The tools that the United States is using do not work. ”
In addition to the ridicule of the United States, Putin finally stressed that "Russia has never refused to negotiate with Ukraine" and "no one wants to negotiate with us on the topic".
In conclusion, Putin believes that "relations between the peoples of the two countries will be restored in any case, although it will take a long time, but it will be restored".
He gave an example. "Clashes on the battlefield: Ukrainian soldiers are surrounded - this is a concrete example in reality, military operations - our soldiers shouted to them: "There is no chance, surrender!" Come out, you can still live, give up! Suddenly they shouted in Russian: "The Russians are not going to give up!" And then all of them died. They still feel Russian. ”
In the final paragraph, Putin said, "In this sense, what is happening belongs to a civil war to some extent." Westerners believe that the battle separated one part of the Russian people from another forever. No. The reunion will happen. ”
Why did the Ukrainian authorities take away the Russian Orthodox Church? Because it unites not the territory, but the soul, which no one can divide. ”
This is probably the main content of Putin's interview.
Because the content of the interview is relatively long and limited by space, the impact of this interview has already reflected the direction of the internal struggle in the United States, especially the attitude of the Republican Party, which has been very obvious in wooing Russia to concentrate its efforts on dealing with us, and I will make further analysis in tomorrow's article.
This article **"Big Vernacular Current Affairs**
Author: Star Talk.